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Editing a Conversant Weblog with NetNewsWire Pro (#408)
Posted: 2/6/2003; 7:02 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 2/6/2003; 7:02 PM by Seth Dillingham
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Ranchero Software (Brent Simmons) has posted instructions for editing a Conversant weblog with NetNewsWire Pro. The instructions were written by Robert Daeley.

Some Qs about running your own Conversant server (#409)
Posted: 3/4/2003; 5:47 PM by Duncan Smeed
Modified: 3/4/2003; 5:47 PM by Duncan Smeed
Response to: 408
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I am the proud 'owner' of a dedicated server for Conversant.
Installation of the beta was a breeze and yesterday I set up a
handful of sites for the school that's piloting an eXtreme Learning
project - but that's another story...

I'm also intending to use the sever to host some of my students'
project work. To support this I decided to set up a separate zone.
I had some difficulties and was wondering if creating new zones is
meant to be as simple as creating new conversations. If so then I'm
doing something wrong.

Rather than post just now the specifics of the problems I had, I was
wondering if there are some docs/folklore that explain zones and any
inherent complexities arising from their use.

I'm quite happy to give details later - it's just that I'm off to
give a class mid-term right now!

Cheers,

Duncan
Re: Some Qs about running your own Conversant server (#410)
Posted: 3/5/2003; 12:53 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 3/5/2003; 1:11 PM by Seth Dillingham
Response to: 409
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On 3/4/2003, Duncan Smeed said:

>I'm also intending to use the sever to host some of my students' 
>project work.  To support this I decided to set up a separate zone. 
>I had some difficulties and was wondering if creating new zones is 
>meant to be as simple as creating new conversations.  If so then I'm 
>doing something wrong.

There are two ways to create a new zone in the distributed version of Conversant. The first is via the 'quickscript' widow in Radio, the second is via the admin interface. Keep in mind that new conversations don't have any conversations, so there is no web interface (except for the admin interface).

QuickScript

Open the quickscript window and run the following script:

local ( zoneId = "newZoneId" );  // change this, alpha-numeric only
local ( userId = "you@wherever.com" ); // change this, your email
local ( password = "your password" )  // change this
 
Conversant.zones.create( zoneId, userId, password );

Use your regular username/password, as it's going to create an account for you in that zone. (You still need to create a conversation in this zone.)

Admin Interface

I don't know the URL of any sites on your server, so I'll just use an example you'll have to modify for your needs.

  1. Go here: http://www.yourserver.org/existingsite/admin/system/
  2. Click on "Zones" in the left margin
  3. Scroll to the bottom, enter the new zone name, click the button
  4. Now go here: http://www.yourserver.org/newzonename/admin/
  5. Set up a new user account for yourself by clicking on "members"
>Rather than post just now the specifics of the problems I had, I was 
>wondering if there are some docs/folklore that explain zones and any 
>inherent complexities arising from their use.

Not much, unfortunately, though the above information should get you started.

You're likely to have more questions, especially when you're creating new conversations. Keep asking them! I'm not going to guess at all the questions you might have and answer them now, as the email will be too long. Just don't be 'shy' about asking anything.

Seth

RE: Some Qs about running your own Conversant server (#411)
Posted: 3/10/2003; 7:39 PM by Duncan Smeed
Modified: 3/10/2003; 7:39 PM by Duncan Smeed
Response to: 410
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Hi Seth, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Thanks for your
help. I must be doing something wrong since the new zone is not
playing ball.
>[snip]

Since the computer is now in the machine room I followed the steps
for creating the zone in the browser...

>Use your regular username/password, as it's going to create an
>account for you in that zone. (You still need to create a
>conversation in this zone.)
>
>Admin Interface
>
>I don't know the URL of any sites on your server, so I'll just use
>an example you'll have to modify for your needs.
>
>1. Go here: http://www.yourserver.org/existingsite/admin/system/
>
>2. Click on "Zones" in the left margin
>
>3. Scroll to the bottom, enter the new zone name, click the button
>
>4. Now go here: http://www.yourserver.org/newzonename/admin/
>
>5. Set up a new user account for yourself by clicking on "members"

Done. This is what I did previously. I created a new zone - ap2003
- to go alongside my existing xl zone but any attempt to access it at
the root level - http://www.yourserver.org/ap2003/ gives me the
following error:

<error>
"500 Internal server Error The server has encountered an error
processing your request.
Error: Can't evaluate the expression because the name "ap2003" hasn't
been defined."
</error>

The existing http://www.yourserver.org/xl/ works fine.

Next thing I tried was to create a conversation in that zone -
http://www.yourserver.org/ap2003/duncan - which seemed to be created
OK but access at that root level gave me the following error.

<error>
500 Internal server Error
The server has encountered an error processing your request.
Error: Can't evaluate the expression because the name "tools" hasn't
been defined.
</error>

However, http://www.yourserver.org/ap2003/duncan/1 at least threw up
a reasonably compete page comprising a message with the text "New
Conversation: duncan"

If you like Seth I can set you up as a Zone admin on my server if
that woould help. Let me know and I'll email you the URL of the new
server.


>
>>Rather than post just now the specifics of the problems I had, I was
>>wondering if there are some docs/folklore that explain zones and any
>>inherent complexities arising from their use.
>
>Not much, unfortunately, though the above information should get you started.
>
>You're likely to have more questions, especially when you're
>creating new conversations. Keep asking them! I'm not going to guess
>at all the questions you might have and answer them now, as the
>email will be too long. Just don't be 'shy' about asking anything.

It seems to me that there's a disconnect between the very first zone
that's set up when Conversant is installed for the first time and
subsequent zone+conversation creation.

Cheers,

Duncan
RE: Some Qs about running your own Conversant server (#412)
Posted: 3/11/2003; 12:12 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 3/11/2003; 12:12 PM by Seth Dillingham
Response to: 411
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On 3/10/2003, Duncan Smeed said:

>Hi Seth, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Thanks for
>your help. I must be doing something wrong since the new zone is
>not playing ball.
>>[snip]

Hmm.

Have you upgraded your installation? Choose the Conversant->Updates->ALL menu item.

>Since the computer is now in the machine room I followed the
>steps for creating the zone in the browser...
>
>>Use your regular username/password, as it's going to create an
>>account for you in that zone. (You still need to create a
>>conversation in this zone.)

[SNIPped instructions...]

>Done.  This is what I did previously.  I created a new zone -
>ap2003 - to go alongside my existing xl zone but any attempt to
>access it at the root level - http://www.yourserver.org/ap2003/
>gives me the following error:
>
><error>
>"500 Internal server Error The server has encountered an error 
>processing your request.
>Error: Can't evaluate the expression because the name "ap2003" 
>hasn't been defined."
></error>
>
>The existing http://www.yourserver.org/xl/ works fine.

Right, because (as I said) zones don't have web interfaces, so there's no way to view a "zone" in your browser. Until there's a conversation, there's nothing for the server to show you.

>Next thing I tried was to create a conversation in that zone - 
>http://www.yourserver.org/ap2003/duncan - which seemed to be created 
>OK but access at that root level gave me the following error.
>
><error>
>500 Internal server Error
>The server has encountered an error processing your request.
>Error: Can't evaluate the expression because the name "tools" hasn't 
>been defined.
></error>

You've run into a known bug. Two of them, actually.

1. New conversations created through the admin interface don't have a home page.

2. Trying to view a site's home page, when the site doesn't actually have a home page, results in a "tools hasn't been defined" error instead of a 404.

>However, http://www.yourserver.org/ap2003/duncan/1 at least threw
>up a reasonably compete page comprising a message with the text
>"New Conversation: duncan"

Your next step is to go to the wizards and create a conversation with the same name as the zone, so that it will become the "default" conversation for the zone. (Ie, create a conversation named ap2003).

<http://www.yoursever.org/ap2003/duncan/__wizards__>

>If you like Seth I can set you up as a Zone admin on my server if
>that woould help.  Let me know and I'll email you the URL of the
>new server.

I'd be happy to help you figure this out, but I'm guessing that the above information will make a big difference and you might not need me.

>>>Rather than post just now the specifics of the problems I had,
>>>I was wondering if there are some docs/folklore that explain
>>>zones and any inherent complexities arising from their use.
>>
>>Not much, unfortunately, though the above information should get
>>you started.
>>
>>You're likely to have more questions, especially when you're
>>creating new conversations. Keep asking them! I'm not going to
>>guess at all the questions you might have and answer them now,
>>as the email will be too long. Just don't be 'shy' about asking
>>anything.
>
>It seems to me that there's a disconnect between the very first
>zone that's set up when Conversant is installed for the first
>time and subsequent zone+conversation creation.

Not really, no. Or actually, there's never any connection between zones. They are entirely independent of each other.

The real problem here is with creating secondary zones. We don't have this problem on Free-Conversant because we have a special-purpose signup wizard that does the work for us. When a paying customer (not a free-conversant user) wants a new zone, I usually set it up myself.

Btw... you should put timbuktu on that server (or Microsoft's Terminal Services, VNC, or PCAnywhere). You're probably going to need it eventually. Radio-based software can't stay running forever (as you know, it occasionally needs a restart, we have software that does it automatically ever day), and you'll need access to the GUI in order to run root updates.

Seth

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