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RE: Conversant 1.0b1 (#239)
Posted: 5/22/2002; 12:28 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 5/22/2002; 12:28 PM by Seth Dillingham
Response to: 237
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On 5/22/02, David Carter-Tod said:

>Unless I'm in the wrong place, I think you mean that it should be left
>blank unless you say YES to the second pref.

I definitely had it wrong. Here's what I should have said:

If you set the first pref (Mailing Lists for New Sites) to "No," then set the fourth (List Server) to the same value as the third (Default SMTP Server).

This is because Conversant needs to know where to send the messages. If a site is in "Multi-Subscriber" mode, then you want it to send the messages to the subscribers directly... however, it will always try to send them through the list server. So, for the list server you just give it the value of the SMTP server.

You hve to remember that this is just the default for new sites. Once a new site has been set up, it has its own set of values... you may need to change them if you've decided to switch a site from Multi-Subscriber to Single Subscriber modes.

In that case, you'd go to this URL

http://127.0.0.1/david/admin/conversations/david/preferences$plugin=Email%20Interface

(The long way: go to admin, click on conversations, click on David, click on preferences, click on "Email".)

Click on the "Outgoing Mail" tab. The values on that page control where mail is sent, and how. If you have any specific questions, let us know. As I said, I'm already working on docs.

Seth

RE: Conversant 1.0b1 (#237)
Posted: 5/22/2002; 9:56 AM by David Carter-Tod
Modified: 5/22/2002; 9:56 AM by David Carter-Tod
Response to: 235
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Fourth to last paragraph:

Set the fourth pref to the SAME THING as the second pref, unless you have access to *any* list server on which you can create mailing lists to handle the outgoing mail load for Conversant. This is an EXCELLENT way to reduce the server load, but not necessary until you get into a busy production environment with lots of messages.

Unless I'm in the wrong place, I think you mean that it should be left blank unless you say YES to the second pref.

David

RE: Conversant 1.0b1 (#235)
Posted: 5/21/2002; 7:41 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 5/21/2002; 7:41 PM by Seth Dillingham
Response to: 228
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On 5/21/02, David Carter-Tod said:

>I didn't install the e-mail interface.  Assume that I've changed my mind - 
>how do I go about installing it now? installConversantSuite.mailServer.install?

I think that would work, actually, though it would be better if you "learned" how to do it via the admin interface. I'll walk you through it.

We'll pretend that your site's URL is http://127.0.0.1/david/

First, go to the admin interface.

http://127.0.0.1/david/admin/

You'll be asked to log on, because the admin interface uses HTTP Auth security instead of cookies. "For your protection."

At the top of the page is a row of faux buttons. Most of the way to the right is one which says, "System". Click on it.

On the left of the page is a blue navbar with four links. Click on "Preferences".

In the center of the page there are some preferences in a tab-panel-like interface. At the top of the box there are two tabs. Click on "Plugins."

This page has lots of checkboxes on it! Down the left you see a list of the plugins installed on your system. The fifth one down is named "Email Interface". Put a check in all four of the boxes in that row. Scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on "Save Changes".

You've now turned on the email interface.

Next, you need to set up the prefs.

On the left of the page there's a list of links, under the word "Preferences". Click on the word "Email" in that list.

The tab panel in the center now contains four of the five preferences that you would have entered in the installation wizard. Enter them all. (If something's confusing you there, use the help links, the little question marks.)

Now click on hte "New Sites" tab.

Set "Create Lists" to "No" unless you have access to a Letter-Rip Pro list server, or some other list server that you'd like to write a custom driver for. If either of those are true let us know, but I'll proceed as if they're not.

Set the second pref "XML-RPC List Engine?" to "No," unless the above condition is true.

The third pref is obvious: the full host name of your SMTP server.

Set the fourth pref to the SAME THING as the second pref, unless you have access to *any* list server on which you can create mailing lists to handle the outgoing mail load for Conversant. This is an EXCELLENT way to reduce the server load, but not necessary until you get into a busy production environment with lots of messages.

Set the fifth pref, "Notify Mail Server Admin?" to "Yes" so that you'll be told (via email) when a new conversation (site) has been setup, so that you can create the necessary email addresses and/or mailing list(s).

I'd appreciate it if you'd test these instructions out let me know where you have problems (if any). My next 2-3 weeks are devoted to writing documentation (among other writing tasks), and this seems like it's a question -- or the type of question -- that's likely to come up often.

(I'll include screen shots in the docs. I'd like to put them in here, but I'm using you as a guinea pig to find out how well my text, by itself, does the job. :-)

Seth

RE: Conversant 1.0b1 (#228)
Posted: 5/21/2002; 10:04 AM by David Carter-Tod
Modified: 5/21/2002; 10:04 AM by David Carter-Tod
Response to: 225
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At 08:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, Seth Dillingham wrote:
>I hope your experience with Conversant's installer was a little better
>than the last installer
>(http://instructionaltechnology.editthispage.com/2002/05/17#a2806) you used.
>
>:-)

You mean not having a singing animation while cursing the very ground on
which you walk :-)

I didn't install the e-mail interface. Assume that I've changed my mind -
how do I go about installing it
now? installConversantSuite.mailServer.install?

David
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RE: Conversant 1.0b1 (#225)
Posted: 5/20/2002; 7:37 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 5/20/2002; 7:37 PM by Seth Dillingham
Response to: 223
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On 5/20/02, David Carter-Tod said:

>From the most silent of beta testers!
>
>Went smoothly.

David,

I hope your experience with Conversant's installer was a little better than the last installer you used.

:-)

Seth

RE: Conversant 1.0b1 (#224)
Posted: 5/20/2002; 7:24 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 5/20/2002; 7:24 PM by Seth Dillingham
Response to: 223
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On 5/20/02, David Carter-Tod said:

>Went smoothly.  Chose Autumn template, but the top left logo isn't 
>there.  It points to:
>http://macrobyte.net/images/conversantlogo.gif

Thanks. We just (finally) moved macrobyte.net to a conversant server after letting it lay dormant for over a year, and it took a few minutes to remember that the images were still at the old location.

It should work now, yes?

>Although I know that it's stored in the ODB, it was a little disconcerting 
>to see my password displayed to me in the administrators page during the 
>setup process.

You can change that in the installer prefs.

In fact, the passwords are stored that way in the installer, but not in Conversant after the installation.

>Does anyone have a recommendation for an e-mail server that I could run on 
>Windows?  Might such a recommendation be on the "requirements and 
>preparation" page?

I *don't* have such a recommendation, but I bet Greg does.

Seth

Re: Conversant 1.0b1 (#223)
Posted: 5/20/2002; 6:35 PM by David Carter-Tod
Modified: 5/20/2002; 6:35 PM by David Carter-Tod
Response to: 222
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From the most silent of beta testers!

Went smoothly. Chose Autumn template, but the top left logo isn't
there. It points to:
http://macrobyte.net/images/conversantlogo.gif

Although I know that it's stored in the ODB, it was a little disconcerting
to see my password displayed to me in the administrators page during the
setup process.

Does anyone have a recommendation for an e-mail server that I could run on
Windows? Might such a recommendation be on the "requirements and
preparation" page?

David
--
David Carter-Tod
<wccartd@wc.cc.va.us>

Instructional Technologist/Distance Education Contact
Wytheville Community College, 1000 E. Main St.,
Wytheville, VA 24382
(wk) 276-223-4784
http://www.wcc.vccs.edu/

Online certificate in web site design:
http://www.wcc.vccs.edu/websiteDesign

Conversant 1.0b1 (#222)
Posted: 5/20/2002; 4:11 PM by Seth Dillingham
Modified: 5/20/2002; 4:11 PM by Seth Dillingham
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Conversant 1.0b1 is ready.

However, we still need to udpate a bunch of pages on the web site, so we're going to make the announcement tomorrow morning instead of today.

You'll find the downloads here:

http://media.macrobyte.net/Conversant/download/1.0b1/Conversant_1.0b1.exe

http://media.macrobyte.net/Conversant/download/1.0b1/Conversant_1.0b1.sit

http://media.macrobyte.net/Conversant/download/1.0b1/Conversant_1.0b1.sea.bin

http://media.macrobyte.net/Conversant/download/1.0b1/Conversant_1.0b1.sea.hqx

To everybody who helped by testing the installer or anything else: thank you very much! This has been a long road.

Seth

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