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Re: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#264)
Posted: 5/27/2002; 9:13 PM by Clark Venable
Modified: 5/27/2002; 9:13 PM by Clark Venable
Response to: 263
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Sam,

Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry I missed it.

Clark

On 5/27/02 9:32 PM, "Samuel Reynolds" <sam@spinwardstars.com> is rumored to have written:

> FWIW: I posted a note related to this on 5/17/02: > http://support.free-conversant.com/discussionThread$msgNum=4839

Re: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#263)
Posted: 5/27/2002; 8:26 PM by Samuel Reynolds
Modified: 5/27/2002; 8:26 PM by Samuel Reynolds
Response to: 257
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FWIW: I posted a note related to this on 5/17/02: http://support.free-conversant.com/discussionThread$msgNum=4839

My specific application is a CSS-based tab panel. The sorting results in the a:hover being hidden, so the "tab" doesn't get highlighted as I intended.

- Sam

Re: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#259)
Posted: 5/27/2002; 12:13 PM by Clark Venable
Modified: 5/27/2002; 12:13 PM by Clark Venable
Response to: 257
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Having said all that, I must also say this it depends on the CSS being used. After tossing in the towel on the css I found at http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ because of the problems described here (I could get it to work in MSIE 5.1, OmniWeb 4.1 (oddly), but not Mozilla 1.0Rrc3), I started working with the A List Apart approach (http://www.alistapart.com) to do table-less layout. Their css works fine when served by Conversant, in all (OS X) browsers.
Re: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#257)
Posted: 5/27/2002; 10:36 AM by Mark Morgan
Modified: 5/27/2002; 10:36 AM by Mark Morgan
Response to: 254
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My comments more appropriate for tech support or Becoming Conversant but there should be a couple of workarounds for users without access to a static server. For example, those who are trying free hosting through Macrobyte. I haven't tested either of these.

First workaround: write your stylesheet as a text file and upload it as a message enclosure, then link to that message enclosure.

Second workaround: write your stylesheet as a discussion group message. Bind it to an URL. Go into the admin system, locate the bound URL, and click on the "Basic" tab. Change the MIME type on the bound message to "text/css" and click "submit". Link to your bound URL.

I think Clark's comments on the needs for workaround are on the money. That said, it's an amazing thing about Conversant's flexibility that an end user like me who can barely program macros right can hack the default install as much as I am able to hack it. Brian Carnell has referred to Conversant both as Legos and as a Transformer. The home page for Voices of Unreason is built out of a bunch of queries using Conversant's amazing search engine to dynamically serve it.

As developers I hope y'all discover just as much flexibility under the hood. I've never regretted moving to Conversant, in part because I know if I need it to do something for me it can be made to do that thing.

Re: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#256)
Posted: 5/26/2002; 10:16 PM by Clark Venable
Modified: 5/26/2002; 10:16 PM by Clark Venable
Response to: 254
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On 5/26/02 11:01 PM, "Greg Pierce" <greg@macrobyte.net> is rumored to have written:

> I haven't run into the ordering problem in actual functionality of my CSS to > date, but I don't have any sites that are fully formatted with CSS either, so > that's no surprise.

One option would be to have a flag for flDon'tAlphabetizeThisCssOrIt MightBreakIt that can be set from the style sheet editor page. (<--that's me trying to talk like a developer)

I really do believe that I'm not alone in my desire to move to CSS-only formatting while I'm in the process of moving my content to Conversant.

Hey, fixing this could be a reason for calling it Conversant 2.0.

Clark

RE: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#255)
Posted: 5/26/2002; 10:09 PM by Clark Venable
Modified: 5/26/2002; 10:09 PM by Clark Venable
Response to: 253
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Ya. I just confirmed it. If I put the style sheet on a static server and link to it, the html page displays as intended. What a pain, though.
Re: Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#254)
Posted: 5/26/2002; 10:01 PM by Greg Pierce
Modified: 5/26/2002; 10:01 PM by Greg Pierce
Response to: 253
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On Sun, 26 May 2002 22:48:03 -0400, Clark Venable wrote:
>Now, one work around would be to simply upload the css to my static space and serve it without
>Conversant being involved (or serve it as an attachment).  I believe it's worth tweaking Conversant
>so that the built-in style facilty can handle them for several reasons.

I completely agree.

This is something that I've had on my personal Conversant to-do list for about a year, but have never gotten around to. In fact, I think it would be done by now if I didn't have a really good stylesheet editor with a formatting tool that allowed me to reformat what I cut and paste out of Conversant when working on my stylesheets ( http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/index.asp ).

I haven't run into the ordering problem in actual functionality of my CSS to date, but I don't have any sites that are fully formatted with CSS either, so that's no surprise.

I'll try to take another look and clear this up in the near future....( mind you, this me talking, not Macrobyte -- but I'm sure Seth would fully agree that this should be fixed )

g.

Conversant and (rearranged) CSS (#253)
Posted: 5/26/2002; 9:41 PM by Clark Venable
Modified: 5/26/2002; 9:42 PM by Clark Venable
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I’ve spent much of the last two days trying to find a css that will let me do table-less layouts in conversant. No luck. At first, I thought it was my own lack of CSS expertise (and it may yet be) but I now believe the difficulty lies in the manner in which Conversant re-arranges the CSS after it's submitted to it's built-in stylesheet-handling facility. I say this because if I have the template-generated web page saved to the local disk and link to the css on the local disk (before upload to Conversant), the page displays as intended. If I enter the css into Conversant and load a page using the css-savvy template pointing to the Conversant-generated style sheet, the layout is lost. When I compare the two, the only difference is the order in which the elements appear.

What I've done, btw, is create a blank style sheet and paste in the css (with comments removed, since leaving them seemed to screw things up). I did *not* include any of the original styles. BTW, the style sheets are on the web at http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/.

Now, one work around would be to simply upload the css to my static space and serve it without Conversant being involved (or serve it as an attachment). I believe it's worth tweaking Conversant so that the built-in style facilty can handle them for several reasons.

  1. Serious developers looking at Conversant will see the need for a workaround as a drawback.
  2. Doing style sheets in a way that breaks them make Conversant appear non-standards compliant
  3. CSS support is but another way in which Conversant trumps Manila ( I say this as a Manila server admin).

Thoughts?

Clark

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